Comments on: Can the C3 scooter keep up with the BWs? http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/ Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:23:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: braden hendrickson http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-1683 braden hendrickson Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:55:25 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-1683 I just bought my 50cc Yamaha scooter 3 months ago. Top speed was normal around 45km. It runs great .But recently it lost a lot of speed maxing out around 30km.I just got it check out .The spark plugs are good and the compression is fine. I was told maybe it could be the cylinder getting them cleaned could fix the problem.Any suggestions I just bought my 50cc Yamaha scooter 3 months ago. Top speed was normal around 45km. It runs great .But recently it lost a lot of speed maxing out around 30km.I just got it check out .The spark plugs are good and the compression is fine. I was told maybe it could be the cylinder getting them cleaned could fix the problem.Any suggestions

]]> By: Chris A http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-705 Chris A Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:13:18 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-705 Hi Moogie and Kunzamik2002, We've had a look at our records and so far this appears to be the first we've heard of it. The key is to help your dealer understand how the problem shows itself, how long it takes and get them to experience the "shut down" for themselves. Also, similar sounding issues may not always be the same things, so give your technician as much info about the problem as you can. Please let me know what happens and what the final diagnosis was, you've got me curious. Hi Moogie and Kunzamik2002,
We’ve had a look at our records and so far this appears to be the first we’ve heard of it. The key is to help your dealer understand how the problem shows itself, how long it takes and get them to experience the “shut down” for themselves. Also, similar sounding issues may not always be the same things, so give your technician as much info about the problem as you can. Please let me know what happens and what the final diagnosis was, you’ve got me curious.

]]> By: Mike http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-693 Mike Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:29:28 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-693 Moogie has anyone figured it out yet? I have the same exact problem. Moogie has anyone figured it out yet? I have the same exact problem.

]]> By: CKF http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-684 CKF Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:38:37 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-684 Hi there, I'm new to scooters, and am considering the C3 for a daily commute from downtown Toronto to the Yonge & Sheppard area. I'm about 6', 200 lbs. Do you think this would be an appropriate choice? I read somewhere that the scooter's weight capacity is only 170 lbs. Many thanks. <em> The owners manual does state that the maximum weight capacity for the C3 is 187lbs. What I would recommend is the BWs125. You can check it out on our website. Below is the link that will take you there. I personally ride the BWs125 every day to work and love it. I am fairly close to your height and weight. The bike has tons of power which is really nice when commuting. I have been commuting to work on scooters now for three years and wouldn't trade them in for anything. I live roughly 17km from work and spend approximately $4.50 a week on gas. Great bang for your buck. If you have any further questions please feel free to post them on our blog. Take care and good luck. http://yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=2910&class=16&group=M|&LANG=en <em><strong>Aaron (aka the BeeWee Man)</strong></em></em> Hi there,

I’m new to scooters, and am considering the C3 for a daily commute from downtown Toronto to the Yonge & Sheppard area. I’m about 6′, 200 lbs. Do you think this would be an appropriate choice? I read somewhere that the scooter’s weight capacity is only 170 lbs.

Many thanks.

The owners manual does state that the maximum weight capacity for the C3 is 187lbs. What I would recommend is the BWs125. You can check it out on our website. Below is the link that will take you there. I personally ride the BWs125 every day to work and love it. I am fairly close to your height and weight. The bike has tons of power which is really nice when commuting. I have been commuting to work on scooters now for three years and wouldn’t trade them in for anything. I live roughly 17km from work and spend approximately $4.50 a week on gas. Great bang for your buck. If you have any further questions please feel free to post them on our blog. Take care and good luck.

http://yamaha-motor.ca/products/products.php?model=2910&class=16&group=M|&LANG=en

Aaron (aka the BeeWee Man)

]]> By: Moogie http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-612 Moogie Fri, 15 May 2009 04:18:23 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-612 I have a 2007 yamaha c3. I am having trouble with it. After 5 mins of driving it over heats and shuts down and won't restart until it is cooled down. I have taken it to 2 yamaha dealers and it still does the same thing? Can you give me any idea where the problem might lie? Can the engine vapor lock? Or could it possibly be an eletronic part over heating causing it to shut down? I am at my wits end trying to get it fixed and working... <em>Dear Uncle Moogie, Attempting to diagnose your C3 by e-mail is kinda like calling your doctor on the 'phone and saying " it hurts when I do this". Not that I'm comparing myself to a doctor, but you get what I mean. There's a host of things to consider, and the whole diagnostic process should start with questions and answers about riding conditions, use, the actual issue and how it manifests itself. It could be anything from bad fuel, to a loose ground wire. The only way to do this is to leave it with your Dealer until they can test drive it, duplicate the problem (advising the dealer how to duplicate it is key), get to the root of the cause, make the repair, then finally retest the scooter to confirm the fix. Your Yamaha Dealer has access to service manuals, technical info, and expertise from product specialists that nobody else has. Dealers want to keep customers. You should return to the same dealer each time, not run around to different guys just because the issue is not fixed. They want you to be happy with their service and going to a different technician only makes it worse. Chris </em> I have a 2007 yamaha c3. I am having trouble with it. After 5 mins of driving it over heats and shuts down and won’t restart until it is cooled down. I have taken it to 2 yamaha dealers and it still does the same thing? Can you give me any idea where the problem might lie? Can the engine vapor lock? Or could it possibly be an eletronic part over heating causing it to shut down? I am at my wits end trying to get it fixed and working…

Dear Uncle Moogie,
Attempting to diagnose your C3 by e-mail is kinda like calling your doctor on the ‘phone and saying ” it hurts when I do this”. Not that I’m comparing myself to a doctor, but you get what I mean. There’s a host of things to consider, and the whole diagnostic process should start with questions and answers about riding conditions, use, the actual issue and how it manifests itself. It could be anything from bad fuel, to a loose ground wire. The only way to do this is to leave it with your Dealer until they can test drive it, duplicate the problem (advising the dealer how to duplicate it is key), get to the root of the cause, make the repair, then finally retest the scooter to confirm the fix. Your Yamaha Dealer has access to service manuals, technical info, and expertise from product specialists that nobody else has. Dealers want to keep customers. You should return to the same dealer each time, not run around to different guys just because the issue is not fixed. They want you to be happy with their service and going to a different technician only makes it worse. Chris

]]> By: paulie j. http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-593 paulie j. Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:11:33 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-593 John N. -- you're doing what speed on a C3? Is that 60+ kmh or mph? If mph, I'd love to honestly keep up with 45 mph traffic without sacrificing acceleration. Pickup leaves a little to be desired as it is. Otherwise, love the scooter. Kicks @$$ driving through Los Angeles traffic when only 3 cars get through a signal. I'm inspired by Gabe's experience modding his. Will have to follow suit! <em>We Canadians like to measure speed in kilometers per hour. On a stock C3, our (Yamaha) radar shows approx 66 kph "on the flats" (41 mph) , with an average rider of approx 185 lbs or 84 kilos. Gabe certainly seems to have his "dialed in", because he's pushing 75 + kph, which is almost 45 mph. At this point, though, he's now getting into expense and could see some longevity issues down the road. What I mean is, He's had to tap into his 125 BWs fund to make the C3 faster, and ultimately risk over stressing his machine. Scooter tuning is fun and challenging, but understand the design limitations of each class and assess your needs accordingly. 50 cc scooters are perfect for daily urban assault. If you need to go faster, get a 125 Bws. It'll go 100 kph with my fat @$$ on it. ( that's 60 mph and I'm 220 lbs!), and it's basically the same dimensions and storage capacity as it's 50 cc brother. Sensible mods like Gabe's Dr. Pulley and bigger tires may be all you need! Good luck and.... keep on scootering. chris</em> John N. — you’re doing what speed on a C3? Is that 60+ kmh or mph? If mph, I’d love to honestly keep up with 45 mph traffic without sacrificing acceleration. Pickup leaves a little to be desired as it is. Otherwise, love the scooter. Kicks @$$ driving through Los Angeles traffic when only 3 cars get through a signal. I’m inspired by Gabe’s experience modding his. Will have to follow suit!

We Canadians like to measure speed in kilometers per hour. On a stock C3, our (Yamaha) radar shows approx 66 kph “on the flats” (41 mph) , with an average rider of approx 185 lbs or 84 kilos. Gabe certainly seems to have his “dialed in”, because he’s pushing 75 + kph, which is almost 45 mph. At this point, though, he’s now getting into expense and could see some longevity issues down the road. What I mean is, He’s had to tap into his 125 BWs fund to make the C3 faster, and ultimately risk over stressing his machine. Scooter tuning is fun and challenging, but understand the design limitations of each class and assess your needs accordingly. 50 cc scooters are perfect for daily urban assault. If you need to go faster, get a 125 Bws. It’ll go 100 kph with my fat @$$ on it. ( that’s 60 mph and I’m 220 lbs!), and it’s basically the same dimensions and storage capacity as it’s 50 cc brother. Sensible mods like Gabe’s Dr. Pulley and bigger tires may be all you need! Good luck and….
keep on scootering. chris

]]> By: john nowacki http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-583 john nowacki Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:34:29 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-583 I have to say you can't trust the speedo,I put pirelli's on front and back , bigger and with the derestriction and a gps for real speed it keeps hittin 60+ downhill...but it keeps reading 30-40's,I gotta say fat meats and clean seats make even a scooter cool,and my mileage is 120 130...lose some weight <em>Hi John, yes, weight and scooter performance are directly related, and, yes... I could stand to lose a few pounds. As for speedo accuracy, don't get me started. changing tire size can affect your reading, but really, at the end of the day, a speedo on a 50 cc scooter? It's really just there to taunt you and give you sleepless nights. Unless you're getting pulled over a lot for speeding, (ya, right) I wouldn't worry about it. Keep reading the other comments on this blog, Gabe is "the Man" for C3's, check out his comments... And keep on scootering !!! Chris Anderson</em> I have to say you can’t trust the speedo,I put pirelli’s on front and back , bigger and with the derestriction and a gps for real speed it keeps hittin 60+ downhill…but it keeps reading 30-40’s,I gotta say fat meats and clean seats make even a scooter cool,and my mileage is 120 130…lose some weight

Hi John,
yes, weight and scooter performance are directly related, and, yes… I could stand to lose a few pounds.
As for speedo accuracy, don’t get me started. changing tire size can affect your reading, but really, at the end of the day, a speedo on a 50 cc scooter? It’s really just there to taunt you and give you sleepless nights. Unless you’re getting pulled over a lot for speeding, (ya, right) I wouldn’t worry about it.
Keep reading the other comments on this blog, Gabe is “the Man” for C3’s, check out his comments…
And keep on scootering !!!
Chris Anderson

]]> By: gabe http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-539 gabe Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:39:11 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-539 Hey Chris, I rode my C3 45 miles home from my Yamaha Dealer today after they'd replaced my stock variator with a Dr.Pulley unit, with Dr.Pulley 3gr slider weights installed in it. There was no difference from stock for the first 20 miles. Then as I was approaching the downhill side of the worst hill on my route,(a 3/4 mile 5% grade) My scoot suddenly surged forward.(I guess it took the sliders that long to wear in.) Stock, my scoot would quickly lose forwaed momentum on this steep hill, And hang onto 18-20 mph to the top. However, This time it slowed gradually,And halfway up the hill my little mill began to gain rpms until it was slowly going faster before it went over the top, Never going slower than 28mph.If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it! They also replaced my rear tire with a 140/90-10 which gives a higher overall gear ratio and fits in the space available without rubbing anywhere. Top speed increased from 42mph (with a derestricted variator) to 45.5-46 mph.No mpg figures yet but I expect it to be a bit better as my engine's not working as hard all of the time now.The quoted figures were accomplished with a stock drive belt and variator torque spring.KS Power llc in Indianola, Iowa modified the Dr.Pulley Variator to fit my scooter,(and are the only shop that's doing this right now.)The only part of my warrenties(regulsr + 3 yr extended) that it voided is the transmission.And you guys have been using the same platform for over 30 years- It's as reliable as a claw hammer!To go any faster means an exhust system upgrade, 50 + mph is possible. Cheers! Gabe Hey Chris, I rode my C3 45 miles home from my Yamaha Dealer today after they’d replaced my stock variator with a Dr.Pulley unit, with Dr.Pulley 3gr slider weights installed in it. There was no difference from stock for the first 20 miles. Then as I was approaching the downhill side of the worst hill on my route,(a 3/4 mile 5% grade) My scoot suddenly surged forward.(I guess it took the sliders that long to wear in.) Stock, my scoot would quickly lose forwaed momentum on this steep hill, And hang onto 18-20 mph to the top. However, This time it slowed gradually,And halfway up the hill my little mill began to gain rpms until it was slowly going faster before it went over the top, Never going slower than 28mph.If I hadn’t seen it I wouldn’t have believed it! They also replaced my rear tire with a 140/90-10 which gives a higher overall gear ratio and fits in the space available without rubbing anywhere. Top speed increased from 42mph (with a derestricted variator) to 45.5-46 mph.No mpg figures yet but I expect it to be a bit better as my engine’s not working as hard all of the time now.The quoted figures were accomplished with a stock drive belt and variator torque spring.KS Power llc in Indianola, Iowa modified the Dr.Pulley Variator to fit my scooter,(and are the only shop that’s doing this right now.)The only part of my warrenties(regulsr + 3 yr extended) that it voided is the transmission.And you guys have been using the same platform for over 30 years- It’s as reliable as a claw hammer!To go any faster means an exhust system upgrade, 50 + mph is possible. Cheers! Gabe

]]> By: Gabe http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-460 Gabe Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:55:23 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-460 Hey Conrad- There are several sites you can go to that have a lot of members that own scoots like yours.Try provoscooter.com - zumaforums.net - And the torontomotorscooterclub.com, which has a thread in their forums about maintenance that is presided over by a gent that's shop foreman for Motoretta A scooter sales and service company in Toronto who's got many years working on scoots and is really kindhearted about helping all of us! Hope this helps! Cheers! Gabe Hey Conrad- There are several sites you can go to that have a lot of members that own scoots like yours.Try provoscooter.com – zumaforums.net – And the torontomotorscooterclub.com, which has a thread in their forums about maintenance that is presided over by a gent that’s shop foreman for Motoretta A scooter sales and service company in Toronto who’s got many years working on scoots and is really kindhearted about helping all of us! Hope this helps! Cheers! Gabe

]]> By: Conrad Arvisais http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/comment-page-1/#comment-457 Conrad Arvisais Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:40:37 +0000 http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2007/12/13/can-the-c3-scooter-keep-up-with-the-bws/#comment-457 My 2005 Yamaha BWS with 9,300 kms has a miss and the dealer has done a number of changes such as an needle valve in the carb, solenoid for the automatic choke, battery, stater and CDI and the miss is still there. Has anyone else experienced a similar problem and found a solution?. <em>Conrad, this blog is not designed to offer mechanical diagnostics online (see terms of use), that said all we can determine is what is not causing the miss-fire relative to the parts you have changed. Clearly, your problem has not be diagnosed. In trouble shooting a technician must first decide if the problem is electrical, mechanical or fuel related. Once that is determined they must drill into the system in more detail. These steps require experience and thought. Simply changing components without knowing what the problem is not a good way to go. You need to seek the help of an experienced dealership. We are here to help them if they cannot figure it out. cheers </em> My 2005 Yamaha BWS with 9,300 kms has a miss and the dealer has done a number of changes such as an needle valve in the carb, solenoid for the automatic choke, battery, stater and CDI and the miss is still there. Has anyone else experienced a similar problem and found a solution?.

Conrad, this blog is not designed to offer mechanical diagnostics online (see terms of use), that said all we can determine is what is not causing the miss-fire relative to the parts you have changed. Clearly, your problem has not be diagnosed.
In trouble shooting a technician must first decide if the problem is electrical, mechanical or fuel related. Once that is determined they must drill into the system in more detail. These steps require experience and thought. Simply changing components without knowing what the problem is not a good way to go. You need to seek the help of an experienced dealership. We are here to help them if they cannot figure it out. cheers

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