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		<title>By: Randy Hetman</title>
		<link>http://motorcycles.yamahablogs.ca/2009/12/02/keeping-your-beauty-fresh/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Hetman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not use a trickle charger on your battery all winter as it will shorten the battery life. Use a &quot;maintainer&quot; type such as Battery Tender.

&lt;em&gt;Great point Randy. For those following the thread, let&#039;s look at the differences between a &quot;trickle charger&quot; and a &quot;maintainer&quot;. A low amperage charge being applied to a battery is known as &quot;trickle charging&quot;, and the typical trickle charger just lets that low charge process continue 24/7. This is not an issue for a few days, but not so good for extended periods.

Chargers like the Battery Tender and Optimate 4 supply their charge at low amperage, and therefore we often refer to them as a trickle charger too, but correctly they should be considered as a separate group. Randy suggests a &quot;maintainer&quot;, but I prefer the term &quot;smart charger&quot;. 

A smart charger will follow an algorithm that checks the battery voltage and if low, supplies a low amperage output and raises the battery voltage. But it monitors the voltage carefully to keep it below the point where the electrolyte is gassing (bubbles) to prevent the possibility of overpressurizing the recombinant valve (found in MF batteries) and losing any fluids. 

In this way, we keep voltage at optimum level, remove the likelihood of sulphation of the plates, the charging process raises the battery temperature (a good thing if the battery is still in your bike in an unheated garage all winter) and as a result, you get the most possible life out of the battery. Battery Tender is just one manufacturer. In my experience, the Optimate III or IV units.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not use a trickle charger on your battery all winter as it will shorten the battery life. Use a &#8220;maintainer&#8221; type such as Battery Tender.</p>
<p><em>Great point Randy. For those following the thread, let&#8217;s look at the differences between a &#8220;trickle charger&#8221; and a &#8220;maintainer&#8221;. A low amperage charge being applied to a battery is known as &#8220;trickle charging&#8221;, and the typical trickle charger just lets that low charge process continue 24/7. This is not an issue for a few days, but not so good for extended periods.</p>
<p>Chargers like the Battery Tender and Optimate 4 supply their charge at low amperage, and therefore we often refer to them as a trickle charger too, but correctly they should be considered as a separate group. Randy suggests a &#8220;maintainer&#8221;, but I prefer the term &#8220;smart charger&#8221;. </p>
<p>A smart charger will follow an algorithm that checks the battery voltage and if low, supplies a low amperage output and raises the battery voltage. But it monitors the voltage carefully to keep it below the point where the electrolyte is gassing (bubbles) to prevent the possibility of overpressurizing the recombinant valve (found in MF batteries) and losing any fluids. </p>
<p>In this way, we keep voltage at optimum level, remove the likelihood of sulphation of the plates, the charging process raises the battery temperature (a good thing if the battery is still in your bike in an unheated garage all winter) and as a result, you get the most possible life out of the battery. Battery Tender is just one manufacturer. In my experience, the Optimate III or IV units.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Track Jacket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Track Jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i will be needing some high power pressure washers to clean our home and our garden :`~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will be needing some high power pressure washers to clean our home and our garden :`~</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Hammond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a better idea, which I do. Bring the baby in the house, she stays warm all year round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a better idea, which I do. Bring the baby in the house, she stays warm all year round.</p>
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		<title>By: GERRY (Geraldine)</title>
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		<dc:creator>GERRY (Geraldine)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks from a female new owner of a VSTAR 1100.  I really didnt know where to start.  Can you trust a cruiser
on a centre stand?

&lt;em&gt;Hi &quot;Gerry&quot;,

(I hope it is OK  to call you Gerry). 

The V-Star 1100 does not come stock with a centre stand. So I will assume you might be asking about a hydraulic stand / lift often available from Canadian Tire or Costco for about $100.00 . The most important thing with this type of stand is to make sure the bike is sitting flat on the stand and is absolutely stable. Often the motorcycle&#039;s exhaust system will not allow the bike to sit flat on the stand and in turn the bike is quite wobbly. If this is the case, I would not recommend the stand ... the last thing you want is your bike to fall over. One solution is to remove the exhaust but that is a fair bit of work. The other is to slip pieces of wood under the bike to make it more stable. Whatever you do, make sure the bike is stable or forget the stand.  Many of these stands now feature tie down mounting rings on the side of the stand ... if the bike is stable, it is a good idea to tie it down as well. The final comment about these stands is they can be raised by stepping on a pedal that operates a hydraulic ram. If there is a locking device to prevent the stand from &quot;sinking&quot; as the hydraulic pressure slowly releases ... use it !! Good luck. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks from a female new owner of a VSTAR 1100.  I really didnt know where to start.  Can you trust a cruiser<br />
on a centre stand?</p>
<p><em>Hi &#8220;Gerry&#8221;,</p>
<p>(I hope it is OK  to call you Gerry). </p>
<p>The V-Star 1100 does not come stock with a centre stand. So I will assume you might be asking about a hydraulic stand / lift often available from Canadian Tire or Costco for about $100.00 . The most important thing with this type of stand is to make sure the bike is sitting flat on the stand and is absolutely stable. Often the motorcycle&#8217;s exhaust system will not allow the bike to sit flat on the stand and in turn the bike is quite wobbly. If this is the case, I would not recommend the stand &#8230; the last thing you want is your bike to fall over. One solution is to remove the exhaust but that is a fair bit of work. The other is to slip pieces of wood under the bike to make it more stable. Whatever you do, make sure the bike is stable or forget the stand.  Many of these stands now feature tie down mounting rings on the side of the stand &#8230; if the bike is stable, it is a good idea to tie it down as well. The final comment about these stands is they can be raised by stepping on a pedal that operates a hydraulic ram. If there is a locking device to prevent the stand from &#8220;sinking&#8221; as the hydraulic pressure slowly releases &#8230; use it !! Good luck. </em></p>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t mention heated versus non-heated winter storage for a bike.  Do you have an opinion?
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&lt;em&gt;Michael, if you&#039;re fortunate enough to have heated storage available, use it. If not, please be sure to follow advice written here and you&#039;ll be fine. But there isn&#039;t any major cause for concern if your bike isn&#039;t stored in a heated area. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t mention heated versus non-heated winter storage for a bike.  Do you have an opinion?<br />
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</em><em>Michael, if you&#8217;re fortunate enough to have heated storage available, use it. If not, please be sure to follow advice written here and you&#8217;ll be fine. But there isn&#8217;t any major cause for concern if your bike isn&#8217;t stored in a heated area. </em></p>
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		<title>By: John Hanney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hanney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John.. another great article! I have to disagree with one tip though. The myth that leaving a battery on a concrete floor will damage it is scientifically ungrounded ( no pun intended). There is no physical or electrical evidence to support this common belief.

Hi John,

&lt;em&gt;I double checked with our motorcycle tech specialist about this issue. He says that the biggest concern is how cold the concrete floor will get. The colder the floor,  the more cold will be transferred into the battery. The colder the battery gets, the greater the chance of discharge and in turn this will effect the electrolyte as the internal voltage drops. If the specific gravity of the electrolyte gets too low, the battery could freeze and it will be toast. It seems that a battery left on a warm concrete floor may be OK . The bottom line is keeping a battery warm and charged over the winter. The worst case is a battery freezes and splits ... nobody wants acid running onto their pride and joy. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John.. another great article! I have to disagree with one tip though. The myth that leaving a battery on a concrete floor will damage it is scientifically ungrounded ( no pun intended). There is no physical or electrical evidence to support this common belief.</p>
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p><em>I double checked with our motorcycle tech specialist about this issue. He says that the biggest concern is how cold the concrete floor will get. The colder the floor,  the more cold will be transferred into the battery. The colder the battery gets, the greater the chance of discharge and in turn this will effect the electrolyte as the internal voltage drops. If the specific gravity of the electrolyte gets too low, the battery could freeze and it will be toast. It seems that a battery left on a warm concrete floor may be OK . The bottom line is keeping a battery warm and charged over the winter. The worst case is a battery freezes and splits &#8230; nobody wants acid running onto their pride and joy. </em></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write up. Should mention that the front tire should be raised off the ground, if left on the ground it may cause the tire to have a flat spot. A peice of  wood under the headers (I4)is Honda&#039;s solution to this.

Hi Aaron,

&lt;em&gt;You are right. It is best to try to elevate the wheels off the ground and even better if you can let the suspension &quot;hang&quot; free. However, I steered clear of this issue because the majority of today&#039;s bikes do not come with a centre stand, and the last thing I would want is for somebody&#039;s bike to fall over trying to get the wheels off the ground. If your bike has a centre stand or you use a race type rear stand, it is a good idea to get the both wheels off the ground ... but please be careful and make sure the bike is very secure ... it has to stay that way all winter. I have few bikes and I have not had an issue with flat spotted tires ... but my bikes are kept in a garage that only gets down to about -5 C.       &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write up. Should mention that the front tire should be raised off the ground, if left on the ground it may cause the tire to have a flat spot. A peice of  wood under the headers (I4)is Honda&#8217;s solution to this.</p>
<p>Hi Aaron,</p>
<p><em>You are right. It is best to try to elevate the wheels off the ground and even better if you can let the suspension &#8220;hang&#8221; free. However, I steered clear of this issue because the majority of today&#8217;s bikes do not come with a centre stand, and the last thing I would want is for somebody&#8217;s bike to fall over trying to get the wheels off the ground. If your bike has a centre stand or you use a race type rear stand, it is a good idea to get the both wheels off the ground &#8230; but please be careful and make sure the bike is very secure &#8230; it has to stay that way all winter. I have few bikes and I have not had an issue with flat spotted tires &#8230; but my bikes are kept in a garage that only gets down to about -5 C.       </em></p>
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		<title>By: Virgie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;drain the float bowls&quot;...does one really need to do this if you turn your petcock to &quot;off&quot; and let the bike run until it &quot;runs out of fuel?&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Hi Virgie,

There will still be some fuel left over in the float bowl, even after the units runs out of gas. It is best to drain this small amount of remaining gas. If you do decide to leave it, it is even more important that you put a good quality stabilizer in the fuel. I know sometimes the float bowl drain screws can be a pain to get at, but it is a lot more work to have to pull the carb or carbs. Better to be safe than sorry. Careful not to round the screw heads ... sometimes they can be seized in place. If this is the case, make sure you put a bit of anti-seize on them before re-installing. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;drain the float bowls&#8221;&#8230;does one really need to do this if you turn your petcock to &#8220;off&#8221; and let the bike run until it &#8220;runs out of fuel?&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Hi Virgie,</p>
<p>There will still be some fuel left over in the float bowl, even after the units runs out of gas. It is best to drain this small amount of remaining gas. If you do decide to leave it, it is even more important that you put a good quality stabilizer in the fuel. I know sometimes the float bowl drain screws can be a pain to get at, but it is a lot more work to have to pull the carb or carbs. Better to be safe than sorry. Careful not to round the screw heads &#8230; sometimes they can be seized in place. If this is the case, make sure you put a bit of anti-seize on them before re-installing. </em></p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Forest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Johnny!  I like the article too.  Another thing I do is take the seat inide in case the little vermin decide make a cozy home for the winter.  As for the battery, I have a low amperage trickle charger (put out low amps to battery and doesn&#039;t add big numbers to my electric bill) on my battery all winter season long and yes, a 2 X 4 works well.  Thanks again.  Have a great winter season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Johnny!  I like the article too.  Another thing I do is take the seat inide in case the little vermin decide make a cozy home for the winter.  As for the battery, I have a low amperage trickle charger (put out low amps to battery and doesn&#8217;t add big numbers to my electric bill) on my battery all winter season long and yes, a 2 X 4 works well.  Thanks again.  Have a great winter season.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be sure to use Yamalube oil and lubricants - developed by the same engineers who makes the bikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to use Yamalube oil and lubricants &#8211; developed by the same engineers who makes the bikes!</p>
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